Increible: BMW M5 "gordos" en Nurburg esconden el Porsche Panamera...o el BMW Z6!

Para Edmunds.com sus entrañas son los primeros pasos del Porsche Panamera... (no seria raro, el 928 se desarrolló bajo piel de Audi 100)

Spy photo: 2009 Porsche Panamera



"Last week Porsche's board of management confirmed it will build the Panamera in the company's Leipzig plant. Just this morning we received this shot from Germany of a Panamera prototype testing on the Nurburgring. Sure it looks like a BMW M5, but that's what you're supposed to think. According to shooters in the area, Porsche has been using everything from Cayennes to Audis to this BMW to hide the inner workings of the new super sedan. From the looks of the smoke coming off the tires, the engine is dialed in quite nicely. Let's hope the design department does its part."


Y para Autoweek esconde...el BMW Z6!!!!!!!! :goodman

Z6: BMW's Z8 for the masses? Z8 successor aims for lower price, volume production
By GREG KABLE

AutoWeek | Published 05/24/06, 9:25 am
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]BMW[/FONT][/FONT] is plotting a return to the high-end sports car market with a dramatically styled [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]coupe[/FONT][/FONT] and roadster aimed at providing the German carmaker with a rival to the hugely successful Mercedes-Benz SL.

Dubbed Z6, Munich’s latest flagship [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]sports [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]car[/FONT][/FONT] is conceived as a follow-up to the high-priced and ultra-low-volume Z8, which saw production of just 5703 cars between 1999 and 2003. Z6 will be priced below the $130,000 Z8, and insiders say it will be produced in “considerable volumes.” The car will be built in Germany and will be a high-tech showcase for many of BMW’s latest innovations.

“It is not just a flash in the pan,” a source told AutoWeek at the launch of the [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Z4[/FONT][/FONT] M Coupe. “We’re looking at establishing a whole new model line.”

At least one full-size model of the [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]new [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]car[/FONT][/FONT] reportedly exists at BMW’s research and development center in Munich, though the final design is still up in the air. The car will form part of a rumored three-strong Z-[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]car[/FONT][/FONT] lineup including a new entry-level Z2 and a successor to today’s Z4.

The [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]two-seater[/FONT][/FONT] is already developed to an advanced stage and enjoys strong support from the BMW board.

“A go-ahead is likely, provided BMW can find the necessary engineering capacity,” said the source.

Z6 will be about the same size as the existing 6 Series and will borrow mechanical components from both the 6 Series and the 5 Series. But while the 6 Series was conceived as a luxurious 2+2 GT, the Z6 is envisioned as a pure sports car.


Original reports suggested the Z6 may boast a mid-[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]engine[/FONT][/FONT] design, but BMW appears to have settled on a traditional front-engine format. The aim, according to one high-ranking insider, is to create a car that combines BMW’s traditional strengths of top-level performance, handling and quality with a raft of new innovations, including lightweight construction to provide it with strong levels of performance but also class-leading levels of economy and low-emission levels. http://cwimg.us.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CW&Date=20060524&Category=FREE&ArtNo=60523003&Ref=V2&Profile=1065&maxw=490

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An M5 powertrain formed the basis of the Z8 supercar; look for lots of M5 and 6 Series hardware under the Z6 sports car. Keen to avoid the criticism leveled at the Z8, with a design influenced by BMW’s legendary 507, the Z6 boasts a contemporary design with cues from the Z4. The highlight of the new sports car is its high-tech structure—a combination of aluminum space frame and steel unibody construction. BMW is planning to take this technique, pioneered on the 5 Series and 6 Series, one step further in a move aimed at bringing the Z6 to market at less than 3300 pounds.

Rather than using aluminum for the front end only, engineers are investigating using the material for the middle section as well. This should help to achieve a desired 50:50 front-to-rear weight distribution.

Unlike the Z8, which was sold exclusively with a 5.0-liter, 400-hp V8, Z6 will come with a range of engines. Sources suggest the lineup will likely kick off with the new 3.0-liter, twin-turbocharged inline six-cylinder, with a range-topping version packing Munich’s secret 4.4-liter, twin-turbocharged V8 and an updated version of the M5’s 5.0-liter V10.

Channeling drive to the rear wheels will be a new double-clutch sequential

manual gearbox.
BMW’s Z1 (top), built from 1988 to 1991, featured doors that dropped into the sill; Z3 (center) followed in 1995, replaced by Z4 (bottom) in the 2003 model year.
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Pues el rojo de la foto que volvieron a poner ayer ...espera y te la busco ;-)

(Curioso, ambos coinciden que no son M5 realmente....pero discrepan en lo que esconden: cuando el V8 suena...agua lleva )

 

Mira:

 

Pues es muyyy bonito el protochop rojo...

 

Mmmmmmmmm, coincido que los lazos con VW son lejanos pero...todo el mundo está esperando el panamera bajo carrocerias Q7, A6....y esto descojona el tema, desde luego.

La confusión deduzco que viene, habiendo visto el Test center de BMW en Nurburg de que un M5 de tests no haya salido de allí: si lo hubier ahecho nadie dudaria qu es un BMW pero...con esa anchura de vias y lo mismo bajando de un camión...pues se presta a especulaciones.

 

Juaaaaaas.... muy fino, sí señor ;-)

 

;-) Quizá si Pacix supiera que el Continental GT se testó (entre otros) bajo una carrocería de Passat no le extrañaría tanto. O algunos Ferraris bajo modeos Fiat, por no hablar del Gallardo bajo un TT.

Esperemos a ver ;-)

 

Si, pero pacix no va por ahí ;-)

Vistas las instalciones de Wiessmann y conociendo por un amigo de primera mano como trabajan, y visto sus bastidores... no hay ni sitio (por el lado solucionable) ni creo que ganas de hacer una berlina... soldando tubos a mano ;-)

 

Veremos a ver ;-) ... de todas formas, no sería demasiado larga la carrocería del M5 para meter ahí el Panamera? ;-) (supongo que por ahí van los tiros de pacix)

 

GRacis, lamai...ahora si que si, no salio esa foto en el texto del Z6.

Lo siento pacix, pero te descubres solo ;-) : la medida fundamental (no fatal, pero esencial )a esos efectos es la batalla... las vias ya has visto qu ese amplian con facilidad: es como si me dijeras que no es posible porque el M6 es azul y el panamera de un gilidibu, rojo (el GT nadie lo ha nombrado, pero sirve) Y de batalla un 5 20 cms largos más corto supera casi seguro a un GT, a un Panamera...y espèrate no lo haga un simple 3

...además hay muchos otros ejemplos que seguro que te sorprenderían, inter marcas, algunos muy recientes y aquí posteados, pero lo dejo aquí, con tu permiso, porque ya me temo que vamos a avanzar poco- ;-)