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A Deep Look At The Design Of Tesla’s Cybertruck

Jason Torchinsky
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I just want to be clear, right off the bat, that I love weird automotive design. I’m also quite fond of simple, possibly even crude designs. I’m not afraid of new, even strange automotive ideas. And yet, somehow, I still can’t even with this new Tesla Cybertruck, a truck that finally answers the question of what would a truck look like if it was designed on a Nintendo 64 and built in a country with zero ability to stamp steel. That’s a question, it should be noted, that no one fucking asked.

Tesla’s Cybertruck made a hell of an impact when it was first revealed but I’m not entirely sure that impact was a good one, like the twin impacts that shattered the truck’s windows, hilariously.

The Cybertruck is striking, no question. It doesn’t look like other trucks on the road, which is fantastic. But I don’t think it’s actually good design, aesthetically or practically, as a usable truck.

It is futuristic-looking, I suppose, but in the way that hastily-built prop vehicles built on air-cooled Volkswagen pans for sci-fi movies look futuristic.

I’m guessing there’s properties of the 0.12-inch stainless steel this thing is built out of that prevent complex stampings with curves or any sort from being used, and that’s why this thing looks like it’s a low-polygon model from a mid-1990s video game.

The lack of curves anywhere, even the angular wheel arches, feels less like a deliberate design decision and more like a severe constraint that weighed heavily on the designer. It seems like the sort of thing that would be built in a country without the means to stamp complex shapes from steel, like the Citroën FAF or the Volkswagen Hormiga.

These simple, crude, but highly usable vehicles managed to have a certain simple charm about them though. A charm that the Cybertruck lacks, and I think that’s because vehicles like the Hormiga were designed with utility and a sense of humility in mind, while the allegedly and needlessly bulletproof Cybertruck is designed around what feels like a very peculiar and specific sort of insecurity and arrogance. But there may be other reasons for the look at play.

Also, earlier utility vehicles with simple, flat panels that required no complex pressings almost always had something in common to make those flat panels stronger: corrugations.

Look at a Citroën HY Van, for example. It’s effectively covered in ribs to give thin metal strength. The Cybertruck has no corrugations at all but is made of entirely flat panels. Flat, thin steel panels with no corrugations are weak, unless the metal is thick and, as a result, heavy.

Elon said the stainless steel body panels on the truck are 3 millimeters thick—that’s 0.12 inches thick. Conventional relatively modern automotive sheet metal is usually no thicker than 20 gauge, which is 0.812 millimeters or 0.032 inches thick. That’s around a third the thickness of the Cybertruck steel.

The question is why. Why would you use thicker, heavier metal if you didn’t have to? There’s a lot of disadvantages to a really heavy car. The only thing I can think of is that the ease of manufacturing, coupled with stainless steel’s lack of need for paint, was the big motivators here.

I wonder if Tesla’s past difficulties with manufacturing of more conventionally-designed cars with complex curves like the Model S or Model 3 have made them decide they just wanted something really cheap and easy to build—hence the crude look of thick, flat panels joined together, looking like a spaceship from a PS1 game.

Cheap and easy to build is not a bad thing at all—but there’s a huge cost here, mostly at the expense of weight and materials used. The end result also isn’t a very cheap, entry-level vehicle, which means that any savings in manufacturing aren’t about making a more affordable truck, it’s for the good of the company.

That’s understandable, but also worth mentioning.

It looks like a kit car. It feels brutish and rushed, awkward and cumbersome, and, really, not even all that original, as there have been kit cars that used these same fundamental designs as far back as the 1970s:

That’s an UrbaCar, a car that was featured in a 1975 Mechanix Illustrated magazine. It’s remarkably like a scaled-down Cybertruck in design.

There’s an even more remarkably similar predecessor, though. Look at this:


That picture on top there is from a 1978 issue of Penthouse, and I didn’t find it in a soggy pile by a mattress in the woods, it was sent to me by legendary automotive kit car designer Curtis Brubaker, who made that design over 40 years ago.

Brubaker’s 1978 design was actually a can that converted into a truck, in the same way Tesla’s truck can have a sliding cover over the bed, and Brubaker’s design also included the slide-out ramp.

I think Brubaker’s design handled the roofline and wheelarches with more grace, but, fundamentally, it’s the same design.

It would be one thing if the design provided a great deal of utility, but that really doesn’t seem to be the case. We’ve seen curve-less, crude-adjacent electric truck designs before, from companies like Bollinger, but they at least provide some sort of practical justification; in Bollinger’s case, there’s a pass-through to allow for carrying really long things:


The Bollinger design uses almost no curves, yet somehow manages to feel more refined than the Cybertruck, and appears to be a lot more practical.

Sure, the Cybertruck has a small front trunk, which is useful, and some storage, I’m told, in the side buttresses, but overall I think Bollinger’s full front bed offers a lot more flexibility.

Of course, it costs more, doesn’t perform as well as the Tesla one (allegedly) will, and isn’t bulletproof, but I’m not so sure I really think a bulletproof truck is that important. And, if it is to you, maybe you should consider other things about your life situation before even considering truck ownership.

The fundamental design of the Cybertruck looks like it would make loading things from the sides quite awkward. I think I see some tie-downs inside the bed in the corners, though they don’t appear all that accessible, being stamped out of the steel sides.


It does appear that there are small auxiliary taillights in the rear bedsides, so you can drive with the tailgate (which has the long taillight strip) down.

The lack of wheel wells in the bed is nice, like a stepside truck, though I think in the hot summer sun that bed could be both hot and blinding. Maybe they’ll have some kind of bedliner option?

This may sound a little silly, but there are a lot of sharp corners on that thing, like the sides by the tailgate, and as anyone who has loaded awkward, bulky things into a truck can tell you, the idea of taking one of those pointy bits to the small of your back hardly seems like a remote possibility.

I like the Honda Ridgeline-like under-bed trunk area, as well as the front trunk, though the steeply-raked A-pillar design seems like it limits the frunk volume and makes interior headroom needlessly cramped. The visibility I’m not confident about either, with that massive driver’s eyes to windshield distance the slit-like rear window, and those massive rear buttresses.


There’s also no rearview mirrors, though I suspect that would have to change before production.

The tailgate appears to be un-dampened, and the ramp is a nice touch, though it’s hardly the first integrated-ramp pickup truck, and modern pickup trucks do have some pretty novel tailgate designs.


While I’m hardly a fan of modern pickup truck design, I can’t say that I think the Tesla Cybertruck is solving any design problems. It looks crude, rushed, and rudimentary, and I can’t see any way that the design actually improves anything about the actual operation and use of a truck. Really, it seems like it would be an awkward truck to actually live with and use.

Impressive specs, sure, but I’d trade real utility in a truck any day over being able to beat a Porsche 911 at a stoplight.


I’ll try and hold truly final judgment until I see one in person, but this initial look at the Cybertruck gives me the impression that this is a truck designed, like so many others, to project an image of mindless, needless intimidation, as exemplified by the demonstrations of it taking bullets and being whacked with hammers.


Screenshot: Total Recall, TriStar 1990
Just because the Cybertruck looks a bit like some of the cars in Total Recall doesn’t mean it actually is futuristic. This is a vehicle designed clearly for our unsettled, confused, and somewhat desperate present, but I’m not going to quit believing that we still deserve better, more usable trucks. Electric ones, especially.

 

Quitando prestaciones, la verdad que me parece un truño. Además.... no sé lo que pesará ese ATV.... pero se ve que demasiado para ese sistema de amortiguación. El tema cristales, yo como soy tan suspicaz me suena más a sabotaje. El interior es como el de cualquier cockpit de nave espacial en cualquier pelicula de los 60-70's pero sin lucecitas, frio como él solo!!! Lo que si me parece, que los laterales van hacer las delicias de los grafiteros, urban style!!

 

Ahora ha escrito Musk que ya van por las 187000 reservas.

 

No sé cómo se lo van a vender, pero estos tienen en su punto de mira un contrato con defensa.

 

Estoy de acuerdo. Entre el gran público no veo una producción masiva.
Además en breve, le saldrá competencia con el nuevo Hummer eléctrico....

Continuará...

 

Hablando el otro día de este truño;y de como había bajo en bolsa tesla .
El caso es que sigue valiendo una burradisima.
Como la 4 a nivel mundial ; la primera es toyota( creo ) y esta por encima de BMW.
Las acciones cotizan como a 330$ ; una cosa exageradisima.
Como puede ser ??. Y presentar algo así ?.

 

Es un pedazo de ejemplo de pensamiento lateral.

Lo que más me flipa es el pico de arriba, a quien se se ocurre eso... es tan absurdo como original y gracias a eso encima ya ha ganado la partida del diseño porque ese pico absurdo nadie puede copiarlo sin que lo empapelen los jueces.

A ver coreanos, cómo copiais eso jajaja

 

Es el coche ideal para salir a cazar mapaches emissions free.
O como coche de boda entre hermanos.
Los Cyber Rednecks del siglo XXI.

 

Aqui parece que hace un poquitin de trampa al jugar con el empuje de ser quien tensa la cuerda y al estar la Ford en 4x2 solamente no?

En este video para mi no se ve tan mal al lado de la Ford.

 

Ahora dice Musk que el cristal delantero se rompió porque al darle primero un martillazo a la puerta se partió la base del cristal, por eso al darle el bolazo se rompió, que debían haberlo hecho al revés.
También parece que a la ventanilla trasera no estaba previsto darle un bolazo y no llevaba cristal blindado...

Elon Musk Explains Why Cybertruck Glass Broke, Do You Believe Him?
Mistakes were made, Musk admits.
From the sledgehammer and steel ball tests to the Porsche 911 drag race and Ford F-150 tug of war, there was nothing conventional about Tesla’s reveal event for the much-hyped Cybertruck. Elon Musk’s “Oh my f****** god” moment will be remembered for a long time, and now we have an official explanation from the man himself about what went wrong during the test to show the sturdiness of the so-called “Armor Glass.”


Rod Adib@RodAdib1
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Replying to @elonmusk
I know the real reason behind the window crack. It’s ok Elon, But maybe you should’ve threw the ball of the window before you decided to hit the door with a sledgehammer


Elon Musk

✔@elonmusk

Yup. Sledgehammer impact on door cracked base of glass, which is why steel ball didn’t bounce off. Should have done steel ball on window, *then* sledgehammer the door. Next time …


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Tesla’s head honcho took to Twitter to detail why the side window cracked following an impact with a steel ball thrown by the company’s chief designer, Franz von Holzhuasen. After what must’ve been some in-house analysis, they arrived at the conclusion the order chosen to do the sledgehammer and steel ball tests was incorrect as it should’ve been the other way around. Smashing the door with the sledgehammer apparently cracked the base of the window, thus making the “armor glass” more fragile.

Ok, but what about the rear window? As you probably remember, the test with the steel ball was repeated with the rear glass and had a similar result, even though the man who used the sledgehammer only smashed the front door panel. While the tweet doesn’t explain this, some are saying the Cybertruck did not have the “armor glass” in the back as per a yet-unconfirmed statement made by a Tesla employee at the event.


Interestingly, the rear glass test was originally not on the agenda, but Musk – reportedly not knowing the rear window had regular glass – wanted to repeat the steel ball test following the bad outcome of the first one. Once again, it didn’t go as planned as the Cybertruck ended up with two damaged side windows for the whole world to see and question the durability of the “armor glass” in case of an impact.

In a previous tweet already going viral, Musk showed a clip recorded right before the reveal event when the same Franz von Holzhuasen threw a steel ball at the front window, this time around without breaking it.



Elon Musk

✔@elonmusk


Franz throws steel ball at Cybertruck window right before launch. Guess we have some improvements to make before production haha.

 

Ya dije al principio del hilo que yo lo prefiero al diseño de los zarrios habituales y es el primer Tesla que veo interesante

 

No solo militar: policía, bombero, ambulancia...

 

Tesla Cybertruck Could Be Perfect For Police, Fire, Water, Military
What better than this Cybertruck for government use?
Even if many people choose to cancel their Tesla Cybertruck reservations, the government could bank major buck by jumping aboard the Tesla bandwagon. Let's just imagine a flame-resistant, water-resistant, go-fricking-crazy-fast, hardcore long-range EV that's super practical and versatile.

So, some have said that the Tesla Cybertruck isn't so pretty or is even outright ugly. This makes sense since Tesla has prided itself on making visually appealing, premium vehicles thus far, namely its Model S and Model 3, in addition to the Model X, which people seem to be hot and cold about. However, trucks are all about capability, versatility, and prowess, aside from visual appeal.





While some people may assert that the Ford F-150, Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra, and Ram 1500 are okay to look at, we argue that they're not incredibly attractive in any sense. This is especially true when they're compared to sporty passenger cars. Perhaps small trucks like the Chevy Colorado, Toyota Tacoma, and Honda Ridgeline are a bit more "sporty" and easy to look at? We don't really "see" that either, but clearly, some people disagree.

In the end, however, all of these trucks are very expensive if you load them up and work to get the most performance, utility, and luxury for your hard-earned money. When it comes to government spending, we can all but guarantee that the dollar spent per utility is at the utmost. So, the Cybertruck should become top dog for police, fire, and military spending in the near future.

While Tesla didn't even mention such a situation, we agree with the above video in forecasting that the Cybertruck could make massive bank in that industry, on top of already securing some 200,000 reservations among Tesla fans and others. What do you think?
https://insideevs.com/news/384312/video-tesla-cybertruck-police-fire-military/

 

Parece un blindado hecho por M.A. ,que siempre encontraban una bombona de acetileno con el que convertir cualquier zarrio abandonado en un cacharro parecido al Tesla

 

A ver si Musk tiene webos y también saca la Cyberlina

 

la familia Cosentino da su approval

Silestone (c)

 

Me da la sensación de que los tesla siempre se pueden reservar pero nunca comprar.

 

cada dia tengo menos dudas, como me gusta mi ///M3
Ojo que como cuña para puerta sera efectivo

 

Soy el unico que siente que el guionista de los Simpsons es Nostradamus?

 

Pensaba que podría ser una broma de Musk, sinceramente, pero pasados tantos días creo que se está riendo de la gente.

Yo estuve un tiempo dedicado a la estampación de piezas para carrocería, me pregunto cómo piensa dar 'consistencia' a los paneles si no están estirados, si es que son metálicos, sinceramente no he leído demasiado sobre este engendro.
Imagino que la manifiesta falta de calidad de las carrocerías actuales de Tesla quedará paliada con estos paneles tan sencillos de ensamblar, es de escándalo que coches de esos precios tengan cosas que no ves en un utilitario de 12.000 €.
Dejo ya de lado las consecuencias de esas aristas en caso de atropello.
El Señor Giorgetto Giugiaro ya pensó en lunas planas para abaratar costes, solamente le vería sentido al diseño de Musk a cambio de un precio muy muy reducido, pero no es lo que parece.

En fin, reflexiones técnicas inútiles, el tema real es que a los fanboys les pueden dar cualquier artefacto con el sello de Musk y lo comprarán.
Estamos en plena era de la gilipollez, de ahí que las encuestas de satisfacción me resulten una pamplina. En BMWfaq somos un poco talibanes, lo de Tesla ya es de traca.

 

Yo también creo que es un cachondo y se pitorrea de todos aquellos que babean sus ocurrencias, un día sacará una moñiga con ruedas eléctrica y alguno saltará diciendo que eso si es un vehículo ecológico.