Off Topic ¿Algunos de aquí invertís en Bolsa? VOL VII

inthenight dijo:

Así se debería hacer si entras en una estrategia única sin aportaciones periódicas. En activos tipo acciones, lo respeto siempre, por ejemplo. Pero en estrategias tipo DCA, sin stops, en la que llevo bastante tiempo, hay niveles claves en los que es interesante aportar porque diluyes los errores (por acción u omisión).

Acertar suelos y techos es jodidamente difícil.

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Sg84 dijo:

Viendo la piña tan grande, esperaba verlo mucho abajo(+-Nasdaq). Para mí, muy sorprendente.

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nachogemma dijo:

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MigYecla dijo:

Importantísimo no salirse del plan. Y para los inversores a largo plazo, mirar carteras cada tres meses. No tres veces -o más- al día

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MigYecla dijo:

Por cierto, hoy vienen curvas.

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SP_Kenny dijo:

Bueno, agarraos bien los machos porque hoy he iniciado mi andadura en el mundo de la inversión en Fondos Indexados, así que el estacazo bursátil mundial está al caer...

Me he metido en MSCI World (fidelity) y SP500 (vanguard), a ver como va la cosa en 2035...[/QUOTE

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SP_Kenny dijo:

Hoy se me ha ejecutado la aportación mensual, hemos venido a jugar...

Yo creo que más que no mirar, es entender que hay que aguantar.

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Navero dijo:

Ya somos dos...

Pero si baja hasta lo que predice @inthenight con el SP500, tengo la escopeta cargada...

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Miguel2 dijo:

La pre apertura del ibex pinta -4% y en Alemania un -5%.

Esto no ha terminado.

Lo que no entiendo es que en market screener aparece preapertura del SP500 y la ponen en 4800. Quedan muchas horas para que abra EEUU….

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inthenight dijo:

El rejonazo aún no ha acabado. Históricas estas últimas 3 jornadas si se cumplen los números de la pre de hoy.

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SP_Kenny dijo:

Hoy se me ha ejecutado la aportación mensual, hemos venido a jugar...

Yo creo que más que no mirar, es entender que hay que aguantar.

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jangel dijo:

Y efectivamente 4800 el sp
El vix exha fuego
Ver el archivos adjunto 179453

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v6tresdos dijo:

Es una locura, los contratos de opciones están carísimos! El viernes ni me plantee mirar el mercado. Los movimientos están siendo abismales

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The Trump administration’s tariffs are targeting a sacred pillar of economies around the world—one that allies and rivals alike are unlikely to give up: value-added taxes.

When he unveiled his worldwide tariffs last week, President Trump blamed “exorbitant VAT taxes” among the factors for America’s yawning trade deficit. The president and his advisers claim that the tax discriminates against U.S. exporters because foreign producers selling into the U.S. are exempt from VAT whereas U.S. producers selling abroad are subject to it.

The rest of the world disagrees, saying VAT is nondiscriminatory by design. As countries scramble to respond, there is no sign that the tax, which funds a large share of government budgets around the planet, is going anywhere.

VAT is the norm
VAT is levied on the value added at every step of a good’s production, with the final consumer ultimately bearing the cost.

Take a fictitious car. A steelmaker collects VAT when it sells steel to a carmaker and hands the VAT over to the government. The carmaker collects VAT again when it sells the car to a dealer, but this time gets a tax credit or retains a share of what it collects to make up for what it paid the steelmaker. This is replicated along the chain to the final buyer, who pays the full VAT.

The system incentivizes businesses to levy and remit the tax to claim their tax credits, making it self-policing and harder to evade than sales taxes. Since it is charged and reclaimed at every point of the production, VAT makes for a broader tax base while not penalizing complex products with long supply chains. VAT is also easy to refund on export, making it trade-neutral.

Trump advisers and supporters often characterize VAT as a European tax. Yet while European countries began rolling out VAT in the 1960s and 1970s, the tax has since been adopted by more than 170 countries, such as China, India, Canada and Mexico. The 19 countries that don’t have it include Cuba, North Korea, Yemen and the U.S.

Among members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a club of rich countries, the U.S. is the only country that doesn’t use it. VAT is the norm not just across Europe but also Asia, Africa and Latin America. Economists say that VAT’s efficiency and resistance to evasion are among the reasons why it has become standard.

In Europe, abolishing VAT would also require changing the way the European Union is financed and rewriting the bloc’s founding treaties.

“VAT is deeply embedded into how companies worldwide do business,” said Roel Dom, research fellow at Bruegel, a Brussels-based economic institute. “Moving away from it would have an impact on supply chains but bring no benefits.”

VAT isn’t about trade
Another reason VAT is unlikely to succumb in the trade wars is that it has nothing to do with trade. Since it applies to both importers and domestic producers, most economists see VAT, unlike tariffs, as trade-neutral.

VAT is destination-based, meaning that it applies based on where the product is consumed, not where it is produced.

European and U.S. carmakers selling in Europe are subject to the same VAT rates, just like both are subject to the same sales taxes when selling in the U.S. The VAT rebate European manufacturers get when exporting their products is meant to prevent double taxation.

“The reason VAT is accepted by the World Trade Organization is precisely because it isn’t discriminatory,” said Dom.

Any asymmetry in taxation would be caused either by differences in rates—VAT rates tend to be higher than U.S. retail taxes, with many European countries charging around 20% for most goods. Some U.S. sales taxes that target intermediate inputs rather than just the final product may also burden U.S. exporters.

“Europe’s VATs are not tariffs and are not subsidizing European exports,” Sean Bray, policy director at Tax Foundation Europe, and two colleagues wrote in a February paper. “Instead, U.S. states’ poorly-designed sales taxes are harming their own businesses’ competitiveness—whether they’re selling down the street, across state lines, or around the world.”

A former senior European tax official said, “The war on VAT doesn’t rest on rational arguments. It’s just part of a tactic to put maximum pressure on America’s international partners in order to extract concessions.”

VAT is too big to kill
Probably the main reason why VAT would be hard to dispense with is that it simply brings in too much revenue, said Julian Hinz, professor of international economics at Germany’s Bielefeld University and head of the trade policy center at the Kiel Institute for the World Economy.

OECD members generated about a fifth of their resources from VAT in 2022. In the European Union, the tax raised between 15% and 35% of member states’ revenues, according to the EU statistics agency—less than income tax but sizably more than taxes on corporate profits. For the EU itself, which sets trade policy for the bloc, VAT represents more than 7% of revenues.

With many countries struggling with high sovereign debt and funding costs, losing so much revenue is just not an option, even to placate Trump and protect exporters.

An average EU country sends between 8% and 10% of its exports to the U.S., said Hinz, and only about a third of a country’s production is exported. Germany, for instance, collected more than 290 billion euros in VAT in 2023, or roughly $320 billion, almost twice the country’s entire exports of goods to the U.S. last year.

“I think the U.S. is grossly overestimating its leverage here,” said Hinz.

For these reasons, most economists think the U.S. is as likely to persuade other countries to abolish the VAT system as it is to impose yards and feet on the rest of the world—or as likely as the world is to impose VAT on the U.S.

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v6tresdos dijo:

Es una locura, los contratos de opciones están carísimos! El viernes ni me plantee mirar el mercado. Los movimientos están siendo abismales

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Pennywise dijo:

El WSJ haciendo pedagogía express sobre el IVA. Vivimos tiempos oscuros

https://www.wsj.com/economy/global/...d-the-rest-of-the-world-wont-give-up-357aeb03

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inthenight dijo:

Por más que miro el gráfico, sigo pensando que, si se pierde la zona 4900, no hay otra parada hasta los 4100. Se me antoja mucha caida.

Nada seguro, todo posible.

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Redman dijo:

y en este caso no habría sido mejor sacar pasta (yo que se, la mitad??) y esperar a que toque suelo (o pensemos que lo ha hecho) y luego meter ese importe que previamente sacaste. Pregunto desde el más absoluto desconocimiento

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