No me funciona la capota, ayuda please!

[EricZ4]

Hola a todos, pues nada planteo mi problema que supongo que ya le a pasado a más gente, a ver si alguien me puede ayudar y aconsejar antes de tener que ir al taller.

Esta mañana he cogido el coche (z4) y he intentado descapotar, el movimiento de la capota era super, super lento... una vez descapotado despues de esperar... he intentado capotar otra vez, y más de lo mismo más lento que una tortuga. He apagado el coche, por si era una ida de olla del coche y ahora ni se abre, solo actua el motor que hace la union entre la capota y la carroceria del coche pero ya no recoge la capota.

Con esto que explico espero que alguien me ortiente un poquito, tiene solucion fácil o lo llevo directamente al taller? alguien sabe el precio aprox de la averia.

Gracias, un saludo,

Eric.

 

[Osiris]

Es normal si llevas mucho tiempo sin usar la capota.
Tienes que ayudarla las primeras veces con la mano. Mira que las bisagras tengan grasa. Mientras el motor funcione, no problem.

 

[perrolobo]

1. busca el fusible asociado y compruebalo:fs:
2. parece que por agarrotamiento se haya sobrecalentado la bomba:argue:
3. ten en cuenta que el mecanismo tiene 2 actuadores hidraulicos y una bomba hidraulica alimentada eléctricamente además de un sensor de tª para sobrecalentamiento de esta:goodman
4. la temperatura ambiente también condiciona

te paso parte de la info que parece nadie comparte:butthead:, es parte del cursillo de info genérico del conce que actualiza a los mecánicos en cuanto a funcionamiento y diferencias respecto modelos precedentes

te coloreo algo destacable...:mus-

Fully automatic soft-top​

The fully automatic soft-top, like the standard soft-top, consists of magnesium and aluminum
components.
The soft-top lowers and raises fully automatically by means of electrohydraulic servo units
that control the primary soft-top movements. The soft-top/windscreen top rail locks are
operated by an electric motor.
The soft-top is raised and lowered by pressing the soft-top switch located between the
gear lever and the ash tray - no additional manual operations are required.
The inner lining provides a neat, coupé-style interior effect, and significantly improves the
soft-top acoustics and heat insulating properties.
The fully automatic soft-top is available as an optional extra.​

System overview
The hydraulic pump unit is mounted on the left soft-top main bearing.​

Hydraulic pump unit
The hydraulic pump unit consists of an oil reservoir with an integral pump. The pump is driven
by a DC reversing motor. All hydraulic valves are integrated in the hydraulic pump unit.​

Method of operation

:

To change the direction of movement of the folding soft-top, the direction of rotation of the
hydraulic pump motor is reversed. The hydraulic pump only operates while the soft-top is
being moved.
The operation of the pump and locking mechanism are controlled by the CVM IV control
unit as required on the basis of the soft-top switch setting.
A temperature sensor protects the hydraulic pump unit against overload. There is a temperature
sensor fitted to the hydraulic pump unit (similar to E46/C). At a temperature of 105º
Celsius the pump is prevented from operating in order to protect the hydraulic system from
damage. The soft-top can then only be operated manually.
There is no facility for topping up the hydraulic fluid on this sealed hydraulic system, nor is
it necessary. The hydraulic system has a self-bleeding function which is activated by repeated
operation. In order to replace the hydraulic pump unit, the soft-top frame has to be
removed.​

Hydraulic servo units​

The folding soft-top is moved in two directions for lowering and raising by two doubleaction
hydraulic servo units. The hydraulic servo units can only be replaced in conjunction
with the soft-top frame as a whole.
There is one hydraulic servo unit on each side of the soft-top frame (in the main pillar) on
the main bearings. The hydraulic pump unit is attached to the left hydraulic servo
unit.​

Preconditions for raising and lowering the soft-top​

Before the soft-top can be moved, the following preconditions must be met:
1. Neither window detected as closed by the basic module
2. Vehicle stationary (road speed < 5 km/h)
3. No hardtop fitted
4. Ignition key position at terminal R at least (except for Easy Open/Close function)
5. System test reports no faults
6. No short circuit and no circuit break present
7. Outside temperature is above minimum limit
Preconditions 1 to 7 must be satisfied simultaneously.​

Lowering the soft top​

Sequence:
1. Windows are lowered (window regulators are operated for 1.5 seconds if a closed win
dow is detected)
2. Soft-top is released from the windscreen top rail
3. Soft-top is folded backwards
4. Soft-top is stowed in stowage compartment and locked in place
5. Locking latches are retracted while pump is still running
6. Red LED goes out
7.Windows are raised (2 seconds after soft-top locks in position)​

Raising the soft top​

1. Windows are lowered (window regulators are operated for 1.5 seconds if a closed win
dow is detected)
2. Locking latches are extended and the stowage compartment catch is released
3. Soft-top is lifted out of stowage compartment
4. Soft-top is raised forwards
5. Locking latches engage in windscreen top rail
6. Locking mechanism is activated, moves to "LOCKED" position and stops on reaching
the limit switch
7. Red LED goes out
8.Windows are raised (2 seconds after soft-top locks in position)​

Note:
If the soft-top button is released while the raising or lowering sequence is still in progress,
the movement of the soft-top comes to an immediate halt. Because the drive system does
not lock, the soft-top is then held only by the inherent resistance within the mechanism and
the hydraulic servo units.
Pressing the button again restarts the interrupted movement.​

Easy Open function​

An automatic sequence of operations for lowering the soft-top can be activated using the
ignition key in the driver’s door.
Sequence:
1. Insert ignition key in driver's door lock
2. Turn key anti-clockwise and hold. The basic module immediately sends the "Easy Open"
signal to the soft-top module.
3. The window regulators are then operated by the CVM control unit within 1.5 seconds.
Windows are lowered
4. Remaining sequence as for "Lowering the soft-top", steps 2 to 7
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5. Remove ignition key from door
The Easy Open function is not possible after terminal R.​

Easy Close function​

An automatic sequence of operations for raising the soft-top can be activated by locking
the driver's door.
Easy Close sequence:
1. Insert ignition key in driver's door lock
2. Turn key clockwise and hold. The basic module immediately sends the "Easy Close"
signal to the soft-top module
3. Remaining sequence as for "Raising the soft-top", steps 2 to 7
4. The window regulators are then operated by the CVM control unit within 1.5 seconds.
Windows are closed.
5. Remove ignition key from door
Note:
If the signal from the soft-top module IV is not received, the basic module activates the
automatic "Close All" function. The Easy Close function is not possible after terminal R.​

Emergency actuator​

If the electrics or hydraulics fail, the soft-top can be raised/lowered by means of the emergency
actuator.
To raise the soft-top using the emergency actuator, the following procedure must be followed:
- Open bypass circuit on hydraulic pump unit by pulling cable.
- Release soft-top stowage compartment catch by pulling cable.
- Raise soft-top to windscreen top rail by hand.
- Engage windscreen top rail lock using Allen key.
For lowering the soft-top with the emergency actuator, the procedure is reversed.​

Opening bypass circuit on hydraulic pump unit:​

In the boot on the left-hand side below the soft-top stowage compartment base there is a
release cable with a plastic pull handle. The plastic pull handle is pulled out as far as it will
go and then locked in that position by turning it through 90º. This opens a bypass circuit​

in the hydraulic pump unit. The soft-top can then be moved by hand.

​

 

[EricZ4]

Gracia por la info perrolobo. No creo que sea problema de engrase de los mecanismos, simplemente el motor no actua.

De todo lo que me has pasado perrolobo, mirare el tema de los 3 fusibles que tiene asociados el funcionamiento de la capota.

¿Alguien sabe para que sirve el cable rojo que esta en la parte superior del maletero? he intentado tirar de el pero esta muy duro, he tenido miedo de romer algo.

Gracias.

 

[perrolobo]

Sí te viene descrito en el apartado Opening bypass circuit on hydraulic pump unit, que no es otra cosa que baypasear el circuito hidráulico de la bomba hydráulica tirando de esa anilla roja y girándola 90º para que el líquido puentee la bomba y puedas con la fuerza de tus manos abrir y cerrar la capota previo desblocaje/blocaje de los anclajes de final de recorrido (en las herramientas tienes una llave tipo ALLEN y en el manual del propietario describe cómo hacerlo)

 

[Osiris]

Hola a todos, pues nada planteo mi problema que supongo que ya le a pasado a más gente, a ver si alguien me puede ayudar y aconsejar antes de tener que ir al taller.

Esta mañana he cogido el coche (z4) y he intentado descapotar, el movimiento de la capota era super, super lento... una vez descapotado despues de esperar... he intentado capotar otra vez, y más de lo mismo más lento que una tortuga. He apagado el coche, por si era una ida de olla del coche y ahora ni se abre, solo actua el motor que hace la union entre la capota y la carroceria del coche pero ya no recoge la capota.

Con esto que explico espero que alguien me ortiente un poquito, tiene solucion fácil o lo llevo directamente al taller? alguien sabe el precio aprox de la averia.

Gracias, un saludo,

Eric.

Has lavado el coche recientemente??
Puede que tengas los drenajes obstruidos

 

[fer316]

Revisa los fusibles,pero todo indica a fallo del motor o de su relè.

 

[EricZ4]

Revisa los fusibles,pero todo indica a fallo del motor o de su relè.

Hola!

acabo de mirar los fusibles, los 3 que indica el manual estan ok! así que ya no me queda mas opcion q ir al taller no? si alguien me puede dar alguna alternativa perfecto, sino tendré que ir al conce a que se hagan un poquito más ricos...

Si acciono el boton de apertura de la capota parpadea la luz roja, como siempre, se acciona el sistema q desbloquea la unión de la capota al coche y ahí se queda... ni abrir ni cerrar... :-(

Espera alguna ayuda, si existe, sino al taller!

 

[perrolobo]

prepara 1000pavos o más...

 

[EricZ4]

prepara 1000pavos o más...

j*der!! q susto!! espero q n o sea asi...

 

[isidre]

1000 pavos? no entra en garantia?

 

[perrolobo]

estoy dándole vueltas y...antes de darte componentes que puedan haber muerto (como los posicionadores hydraulicos o más grave, las válvulas hydraulicas integradas en la bomba hydraulica)...

vuelve a comprobar el tirador rojo en tu maletero por si se ha quedado en posición de bypass y por tanto los brazos hidraulicos no actúan para mover tu capota aunque funcione la bomba.

COGE TU MANUAL DE PROPIETARIO Y REALIZA LA ACCIÓN A LA INVERSA DE LA DESCRITA EN ESTE... rápidito que tengo curiosidad

 

[fer316]

Si el motor no hace ademan de moverse ni suena algun problema tiene,un chequeo o provocar su movimiento con la maquina de diagnosis seria lo suyo.

 

[EricZ4]

estoy dándole vueltas y...antes de darte componentes que puedan haber muerto (como los posicionadores hydraulicos o más grave, las válvulas hydraulicas integradas en la bomba hydraulica)...

vuelve a comprobar el tirador rojo en tu maletero por si se ha quedado en posición de bypass y por tanto los brazos hidraulicos no actúan para mover tu capota aunque funcione la bomba.

COGE TU MANUAL DE PROPIETARIO Y REALIZA LA ACCIÓN A LA INVERSA DE LA DESCRITA EN ESTE... rápidito que tengo curiosidad

perrolobo, acabo de bajar al parking a probar lo que dices, el tirador rojo esta como bloqueado, no logro moverlo ni un centrimetro, tengo miedo de tirar más fuerte y romper el cable.
Segun lo que entiendo del manual de propietario es simplemnte tirar y luego bajar 90º el tirador, hay que hacer algo más?

Eso que dices del BAYPASS tiene sentido, ya que no hace nada....

Que puedo hacer????? tengo ganas de conducir sin capota pero no quiero dejarme 1.000 euros!!!

 

[lolo svq]

1. busca el fusible asociado y compruebalo:fs:
2. parece que por agarrotamiento se haya sobrecalentado la bomba:argue:
3. ten en cuenta que el mecanismo tiene 2 actuadores hidraulicos y una bomba hidraulica alimentada eléctricamente además de un sensor de tª para sobrecalentamiento de esta:goodman
4. la temperatura ambiente también condiciona

te paso parte de la info que parece nadie comparte:butthead:, es parte del cursillo de info genérico del conce que actualiza a los mecánicos en cuanto a funcionamiento y diferencias respecto modelos precedentes

te coloreo algo destacable...:mus-

Fully automatic soft-top​

The fully automatic soft-top, like the standard soft-top, consists of magnesium and aluminum
components.
The soft-top lowers and raises fully automatically by means of electrohydraulic servo units
that control the primary soft-top movements. The soft-top/windscreen top rail locks are
operated by an electric motor.
The soft-top is raised and lowered by pressing the soft-top switch located between the
gear lever and the ash tray - no additional manual operations are required.
The inner lining provides a neat, coupé-style interior effect, and significantly improves the
soft-top acoustics and heat insulating properties.
The fully automatic soft-top is available as an optional extra.​

System overview
The hydraulic pump unit is mounted on the left soft-top main bearing.​

Hydraulic pump unit
The hydraulic pump unit consists of an oil reservoir with an integral pump. The pump is driven
by a DC reversing motor. All hydraulic valves are integrated in the hydraulic pump unit.​

Method of operation

:​

To change the direction of movement of the folding soft-top, the direction of rotation of the

hydraulic pump motor is reversed. The hydraulic pump only operates while the soft-top is
being moved.
The operation of the pump and locking mechanism are controlled by the CVM IV control
unit as required on the basis of the soft-top switch setting.
A temperature sensor protects the hydraulic pump unit against overload. There is a temperature
sensor fitted to the hydraulic pump unit (similar to E46/C). At a temperature of 105º
Celsius the pump is prevented from operating in order to protect the hydraulic system from
damage. The soft-top can then only be operated manually.
There is no facility for topping up the hydraulic fluid on this sealed hydraulic system, nor is
it necessary. The hydraulic system has a self-bleeding function which is activated by repeated
operation. In order to replace the hydraulic pump unit, the soft-top frame has to be
removed.​

Hydraulic servo units​

The folding soft-top is moved in two directions for lowering and raising by two doubleaction

hydraulic servo units. The hydraulic servo units can only be replaced in conjunction
with the soft-top frame as a whole.
There is one hydraulic servo unit on each side of the soft-top frame (in the main pillar) on
the main bearings. The hydraulic pump unit is attached to the left hydraulic servo
unit.​

Preconditions for raising and lowering the soft-top​

Before the soft-top can be moved, the following preconditions must be met:

1. Neither window detected as closed by the basic module
2. Vehicle stationary (road speed < 5 km/h)
3. No hardtop fitted
4. Ignition key position at terminal R at least (except for Easy Open/Close function)
5. System test reports no faults
6. No short circuit and no circuit break present
7. Outside temperature is above minimum limit
Preconditions 1 to 7 must be satisfied simultaneously.​

Lowering the soft top​

Sequence:

1. Windows are lowered (window regulators are operated for 1.5 seconds if a closed win
dow is detected)
2. Soft-top is released from the windscreen top rail
3. Soft-top is folded backwards
4. Soft-top is stowed in stowage compartment and locked in place
5. Locking latches are retracted while pump is still running
6. Red LED goes out
7.Windows are raised (2 seconds after soft-top locks in position)​

Raising the soft top​

1. Windows are lowered (window regulators are operated for 1.5 seconds if a closed win

dow is detected)
2. Locking latches are extended and the stowage compartment catch is released
3. Soft-top is lifted out of stowage compartment
4. Soft-top is raised forwards
5. Locking latches engage in windscreen top rail
6. Locking mechanism is activated, moves to "LOCKED" position and stops on reaching
the limit switch
7. Red LED goes out
8.Windows are raised (2 seconds after soft-top locks in position)​

Note:

If the soft-top button is released while the raising or lowering sequence is still in progress,
the movement of the soft-top comes to an immediate halt. Because the drive system does
not lock, the soft-top is then held only by the inherent resistance within the mechanism and
the hydraulic servo units.
Pressing the button again restarts the interrupted movement.​

Easy Open function​

An automatic sequence of operations for lowering the soft-top can be activated using the

ignition key in the driver’s door.
Sequence:
1. Insert ignition key in driver's door lock
2. Turn key anti-clockwise and hold. The basic module immediately sends the "Easy Open"
signal to the soft-top module.
3. The window regulators are then operated by the CVM control unit within 1.5 seconds.
Windows are lowered
4. Remaining sequence as for "Lowering the soft-top", steps 2 to 7
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5. Remove ignition key from door
The Easy Open function is not possible after terminal R.​

Easy Close function​

An automatic sequence of operations for raising the soft-top can be activated by locking

the driver's door.
Easy Close sequence:
1. Insert ignition key in driver's door lock
2. Turn key clockwise and hold. The basic module immediately sends the "Easy Close"
signal to the soft-top module
3. Remaining sequence as for "Raising the soft-top", steps 2 to 7
4. The window regulators are then operated by the CVM control unit within 1.5 seconds.
Windows are closed.
5. Remove ignition key from door
Note:
If the signal from the soft-top module IV is not received, the basic module activates the
automatic "Close All" function. The Easy Close function is not possible after terminal R.​

Emergency actuator​

If the electrics or hydraulics fail, the soft-top can be raised/lowered by means of the emergency

actuator.
To raise the soft-top using the emergency actuator, the following procedure must be followed:
- Open bypass circuit on hydraulic pump unit by pulling cable.
- Release soft-top stowage compartment catch by pulling cable.
- Raise soft-top to windscreen top rail by hand.
- Engage windscreen top rail lock using Allen key.
For lowering the soft-top with the emergency actuator, the procedure is reversed.​

Opening bypass circuit on hydraulic pump unit:​

In the boot on the left-hand side below the soft-top stowage compartment base there is a

release cable with a plastic pull handle. The plastic pull handle is pulled out as far as it will
go and then locked in that position by turning it through 90º. This opens a bypass circuit​

in the hydraulic pump unit. The soft-top can then be moved by hand.​

¿de dónde has sacado esta info? me parece genial. Hay más?

 

[EricZ4]

¿de dónde has sacado esta info? me parece genial. Hay más?

genial pero yo sigo sin capota!!! coñe!!

 

[perrolobo]

¿de dónde has sacado esta info? me parece genial. Hay más?

cuando me interso por algo suelo peinar la red durante semanas y luego hago un estudio de posibilidades:-k o de mercado:-k o de info:-k como es el caso y SI HAY MÁS en formato pdf con gráficos=D="pero no he venido a hablar de mi libro":roll:

genial pero yo sigo sin capota!!! coñe!!

mañana 21 te digo algo que por fin acabo de solventar mi ineptitud en software informático y reparado el messenger... lo mío es el hardware e interaccionar con las interfaces computers

 

[EricZ4]

el lunes lo llevo al taller ya contare... :-(

 

[perrolobo]

cuentanooooooooooooooooooooss que ha sido pa tenerlo en cuenta en lo sucesivo

 

[perrolobo]

hablanooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos

 

[Z4HELLROT]

Me parece muy interesante este post.

¿que ha sido al final?

Eric: espero que ya tengas la capota arreglada 8-[

 

[Alzas Z]

Eric si estas, manifiestate!!queremos saber que tenia para evitar posibles males en las nuestras.

 

[perrolobo]

eres un perrooooooooo callejeroooooooo que ya no nos hablaaaaas

 

[perrolobo]

nada que este se ha olidade de nosotros.... espero sigas con vida porque ni a los mp has contestado

 

[j.calvo]

 

[Qa3]

Pues resulta que me acaba de pasar lo mismo exactamente con la capota. Funciona el motor "del enganche" pero no el que mueve todo entero. Los fusibles los he revisado y no son, así que me toca mañana pasar por la BMW.

Ya os contaré...

 

[perrolobo]

gracias por tu colaboración.... espero no ser el siguiente de la lista porque a la mínima que sale un rayito de sol lo descapoto

 

[EricZ4]

Hola a todos!!! he estado un tiempo fuera y desconectado...jeje, sigo vivo por eso. Pues nada, lleve el coche al taller... intentaron hacer varias cosas, purgar el circuito hidraulico de la capota, cambiar unos sensores de no se que... pero nada, al final hay que cambiar la bomba hidraulica entera. Coste 880&#8364; + IVA + mano de obra!!! menudo susto!!!!!! estoy a la espera de que llegue la bomba. Que putada más grande!!!!!!!
Saludos y que no le pase a nadie.

 

[Tiger "Eldrick" Woods]

Y si te compras un coupe?

 

[Qa3]

Pues resulta que lo de mi capota era simplemente que se había desajustado (tema varillas etc...). Traducido es 150 mas iva por un par de horas de mano de obra, sin recambio de piezas ni nada.