Posh Topic Compra de reloj. El hilo del tiempo Volumen IV

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César, @Soberano fijo que te puede dar opciones.
Se me olvidaba uno de los relojes que más me gustan en ese rango de precios. el Tissot pRs516
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Precioso y lo mismo. Una línea distinta de lo que se ve por ahí.
 

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bueno, no puedo evitar ceñirme a la parte mas aburrida de este hilo, sin discutir, ni hablar mal de los relojes de los demas ;-)

un gran articulo,


https://monochrome-watches.com/in-depth-the-omega-flightmaster-the-special-one/



The recent announcement of the revamped Speedmaster MkII from Omega seems to highlight a return to the company’s glorious past- and rightly so, in my honest opinion, since Omega has a large number of design gems in its vaults. However, it was the introduction of the Z-33 spacemaster that made me want to dig some more and present to you the highly radical Flightmaster, a watch that, when it was introduced in 1969, was considered way ahead of its time. Maybe it still is….

The 1960’s undoubtedly were hugely important for the Swiss watch industry; this was a memorable decade for chronographs and the other “tool” watches. The watch became the symbol of the adventurous human spirit, being worn by drivers and their crews when they went racing; by pilots as they broke speed and altitude records; by international travelers as they crossed the time zones of the world; by divers doing underwater exploration; by the adventurers as they climbed the tallest peaks. Especially in the field of chronographs the competition was intense. Omega, Breitling and Heuer competed with each other. Omega introduced the Speedmaster in 1957. By the end of the next decade, the “Speedy” was worn on the moon. Breitling proclaimed that it was the world’s leading manufacturer of precision instruments for aviation, with the Navitimer and the Cosmonaute. Heuer was the most dominant brand in racing, offering chronographs dashboard instruments and stopwatches.

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Indeed, “tool chronographs” seemed to be coming into their own in the early 1960’s, with the leading brands developing purpose-built chronographs for an increasingly wide variety of demanding applications. In 1969, while the Swiss industry giants were preoccupied with developing the first automatic chronograph, Omega introduced in its catalogue a weird looking object, with a highly distinctive over-sized case, 3 crowns, 2 pushers and 7 (!!) hands. This radical chronograph was the iconic Flightmaster. A bold product placement from a company that never stopped introducing weird looking but highly functional watches (Ploprof anyone?).

So, in the year that led the Speedy go down in history as perhaps the most iconic chronograph of them all, what made Omega design and sell the flightmaster? A watch that challenges the onlookers by its duality (highly radical but extremely functional).

THE OMEGA FLIGHTMASTER
The Flightmaster is a variant of the Speedmaster line; it was designed, engineered and marketed towards “pilots” by Omega from 1969 through the early 1970’s. Omega period literature referred to the Flightmaster as a ‘Pilot’s watch that has rather more than a revolving bezel,’ a statement which actually held the purpose of showing to the market the superiority of their model in relation to other popular GMT watches like the Rolex GMT or the Glycine Airman. In these the second hour hand was not independently adjusted, so in order for the operator to see the second time zone, he had to use the revolving bezel as well. The Flightmaster though, has a 12 Hour-GMT complication. The hand moves independently and is set through the auxiliary crown located at 10 o’clock on the case.

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The first striking characteristic of the watch is its case. At first glance even these days it’s a big and hefty watch, and for 1969, it was considered monster sized. It is 52mm in length, 46mm with the crowns, 43mm without, and 15mm thick, while its weight was at 139 grams. Cut from a single block of Swedish stainless steel, the upper case was pressed and tempered sixteen times before it assumed its unique elliptical shape designed to fit the contours of the wrist comfortably. Although a huge watch for the standards of the day, the Flightmaster benefited from its hidden lugs. The designers at Omega wanted a chronograph that would be big in order for professional pilots to be able to check the time instantly. The result was that the watch shape and taper actually dominated the wrist while at the same time fit and blended perfectly, even better than many smaller watches. It is a common expression (among collectors) that ‘actually the Flightmaster wears smaller than its dimensions indicate.’

In its case back omega put the outline of a DC-8 super 61 jet. The chronograph incorporated a patented retaining crystal system and it was waterproof for 6 atmospheres. After the movement had been inserted into the case and the stainless steel back screwed into place, the tempered mineral glass crystal was sealed in position by a unique jointing system. The watch has been tested under space conditions and works even in a complete vacuum. Actually the Russian Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov wore an Omega Flightmaster (ST145.036) during training for his command of the first crew for the first joint Soviet-American space mission under the ASTP program (Apollo-Soyuz Test Project). During the second mission (17/7/75) that was under his command, the Soyuz spacecraft docked with the US Apollo spacecraft – the first docking ever between two spacecraft from two different countries.

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The second striking characteristic of the watch was its dial. Although it seems quite overwhelming, the Flightmaster is one of the most legible and simple chronos ever devised. The flightmaster was the first model, which incorporated the colour-coded pushers. The auxiliary crowns on the left side of the case have a circular indentation in them and are colour-coded to their function… Blue for the second hour hand, black for the under-crystal bezel. In addition, the pushers on the right side of the watch also have indentations on them as well and have yellow/orange paint on them. These are colour-keyed to the sub-register hands that indicate chronograph elapsed time. Another fact that stressed the attention to detail that the Omega engineers dedicated to the watch was that special ‘professional’ versions were supplied with yellow cadmium coated hands which were extra legible when aircraft cockpits were lit with infra-red lights.

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At the heart of the Flightmaster (145.013) lies the calibre 910. The 910 (17 jewels and 21.600bph) is a manual wind calibre with 3 subdials (12h, 24h display and 30min) plus the independently set GMT hand. Actually the movement is a highly modified calibre 861, the brainchild of Albert Piguet. The lineage of this specific calibre is quite interesting. Omega launched the 27 CHRO C12 (27 is the movement diameter, CHRO is an abbreviation for chronograph, while C12 refers to a 12-hour timepiece) project jointly with Lemania in 1942, which led to the development of the new cal. 321 movement. This in turn was replaced in late 1968 by the cal. 861, which had some important differences. Firstly the chronograph function was simplified from a column wheel to a shuttle/cam system. Secondly, the balance wheel was changed from a screwed balance to a smooth balance, which allowed an increase in the frequency from 18,000 bph (2.5 HZ) to 21,600 bph (3 HZ). Lastly a flat balance spring was utilized, while the shape of the bridge also changed. The Lemania 1873 or Omega 861 became the workhorse movement for Omega and proved its value in the harshest conditions ever imagined -namely, space flights. So, with few alterations it was a logical choice for the Flightmaster.

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The ref 145.013 was built in two variations: one with orange hands and one with yellow cadmium coated hands. In parallel one more variation of the 910 Flightmaster was the gold model (both case and bracelet) with ref BA 345.0801. This was probably one of the heaviest pieces built (250 grams), with only 200 pieces produced (with some sources lower this number to 40). The first of these was delivered to King Hussein of Jordan.

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In 1971, Omega decided to change the Flightmaster. Many complained that they could not see if the watch was working or not due to the absence of a constant second hand. Another variation of the immortal calibre 861 was produced, this time with the running seconds on the 9 sub dial, the calibre 911. The reference number changed with two variations as well, the 145.026 and the 145.036. The .026 had orange hands and a flat crystal this time, while the .036 had the cadmium coated hands, a round heavy duty O-ring that safeguarded that the crystal would stay in place if a sudden decompression occurred in the cockpit of an aircraft, while the waterproof rating was raised to 12 atmospheres.

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While under the shadow cast by the iconic Speedmaster, this watch has nonetheless played an important role for Omega by allowing the company to have a product in its catalogue that is specifically made for pilots -something to compete with Breitling’s Aerospace models. There have been two attempts/models that can be considered the spiritual offspring of the Flightmaster. Since the 70’s, Omega has developed and introduced for sale the Speedmaster Professional X-33 “Mars Watch,” which is Quartz movement watch and the spiritual successor to the Flightmaster. In fact, early beta versions of the X-33 were even called Flightmaster, and were so marked. The second attempt is much more recent and was promoted by Omega as the Z-33 Spacemaster, which was reviewed by Max Reddick.

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The Flightmaster has a somewhat undeserved reputation with some as being a “Monster-sized” watch, while others complain about its ‘complexity.’ I beg to differ: the Flightmaster is perhaps the ultimate pilot chronograph. Every part of the watch has been carefully considered and the chronograph born of the research design and development is a practical instrument – specially made for the pilot. True to its raison d’etre (producing chronograph tool watches), Omega never side-lined the construction and offering of more specialized tool chronos, and while all fall under the heavy shadow cast by the immortal Speedmaster, they nevertheless are truly unique. Perhaps the Flightmaster is the most exotic pilot chronograph of them all. Its size and overall design and surely the timing of its introduction make it a watch which even today never ceases to astonish watch connoisseurs.


Muy interesante el articulo, gracias por compartirlo, es un reloj que al principio no me terminaba de llenar con un diseno y una caja algo tosca y demasiado voluminosa pero que cada vez me entra mas por el ojo, y son piezas "asequibles" con historia.


Me gusta esta variante mas incluso que un Mark II o III
 

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Se me olvidaba uno de los relojes que más me gustan en ese rango de precios. el Tissot pRs516
reloj-tissot-prs-516-automatico-hombre-esfera-azul-t1004301604100.jpg

t1004271605100-baro-r2866.jpg

Precioso y lo mismo. Una línea distinta de lo que se ve por ahí.
Le regale a mi padre el modelo anterior, para nosotros, mucho mas bonito que ese, no porque sea el que compramos, si no lo conoces, intenta verlo y ya me diras!
 

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Muy interesante el articulo, gracias por compartirlo, es un reloj que al principio no me terminaba de llenar con un diseno y una caja algo tosca y demasiado voluminosa pero que cada vez me entra mas por el ojo, y son piezas "asequibles" con historia.


Me gusta esta variante mas incluso que un Mark II o III

gracias por comentar, si te interesan puse anteriormente otros articulos sobre el mismo modelo, relacionados con algo que se menciona en este, como uno de los cosmonautas rusos, en la mision soyuz-apollo, decidio llevar el flightmaster en detrimento del speedmaster que era el “oficial” de la nasa, es curioso que dicho cosmonauta se empeña en posar con el reloj en todas las fotografias, creo que se lo regalaron con esa premisa, si no, no se entiende

creo que en este ambito de los “tool-watches” como los llama el articulo, esta pieza es impactante, no se parece a ningun otro reloj de piloto, y ciertamente me atrae mas que los mark, y al menos a mi, mas que los moon, que son muuuuy bonitos, eh ?

la caja recuerda a una capsula espacial con su forma en tronco de cono, y la solarizacion de su acabado es algo que deslumbra en vivo

coincido con el articulo en que es facil de llevar, quiza porque el armis engarza bajo la caja, y muy visual de leer e interpretar

el salto del minutero del cronometro es cautivador, se produce con precision cuando el segundero pasa por las doce, una pega posible es leer el cronometro cuando se juntas las manecillas del reloj en esa zona baja, digamos que a las cuatro menos veinte lo de leer el cronometro tiene su aquel

los dos calibres 910 y 911 son interesantes, para mi la esfera bicolor verde/gris del AM/PM es iconica

hay que añadir que el 910 tiene una caja 1,5mm mas baja que el 911, pero a pesar del ello ambos tienen la misma altura total, esto se consigue dotando al 910 de un cristal curvo en oposicion al cristal plano del 910

es una pieza muy atractiva, no necesariamente de belleza instantanea, mas como un lancia stratos, del que dije hace poco que era el coche mas feo que mas me gustaba del mundo

los precios van al alza desde hace unos años, cuanto antes mejor
 
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@Soberano he podido subirlo! Le regale el de los detalles en rojo.


c**o. Relojes asequibles!!

Affordable watches!!

Lo que tú ( si el reloj fuera de otro ) calificas como rubbish, junkie, ....

Paso de ponerlo en castellano, o como haces tú, con un dibujico, tipo cagane....
 
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@Soberano he podido subirlo! Le regale el de los detalles en rojo.
Muy bonito, pero yo no me lo compraría. No te ofendas, es simple gusto personal. Los relojes con cronómetro me encantan estéticamente, pero me acaban cansando. Al final siempre pesa la practicidad, y una de las cosas que más valoro en un reloj además de la calidad y la maquinaria es poder ver la hora en una visión rápida, sin tener que fijarme demasiado. Me ocurrió con un Seiko con cronómetro precioso del que me acabé deshaciendo y creo que voy a hacer lo mismo con un Rado Diastar del que me encapriché en su día. Cuanto más simples y puras son las líneas, más me gustan. Hace unos meses en una joyería me topé con este Eterna. Me encantó por lo que te digo
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Lo mismo que este Rado

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Muy bonito, pero yo no me lo compraría. No te ofendas, es simple gusto personal. Los relojes con cronómetro me encantan estéticamente, pero me acaban cansando. Al final siempre pesa la practicidad, y una de las cosas que más valoro en un reloj además de la calidad y la maquinaria es poder ver la hora en una visión rápida, sin tener que fijarme demasiado. Me ocurrió con un Seiko con cronómetro precioso del que me acabé deshaciendo y creo que voy a hacer lo mismo con un Rado Diastar del que me encapriché en su día. Cuanto más simples y puras son las líneas, más me gustan. Hace unos meses en una joyería me topé con este Eterna. Me encantó por lo que te digo
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Lo mismo que este Rado

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No hombre, no hay problema, solo faltababiggrin

En lo del crono puede que ser que tengas razon, tuve un tag heuer F1 y no lo use nunca, pero esteticamente si que nos gusta mucho mas!
 

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No es mi reloj pero reconozco que me han chiflado los colores. j*der que bonitos!
Son preciosos. Tuve la suerte de poder probarme uno exacto con dial negro, andar toqueteando y estar hablando de relojes con su dueño. Si ves lo que tenía, te da algo.
No veas como quedaba de bonito el reloj puesto(37mm).
Me dijo que me lo cambiaba por mi GMT si ponía otros 130.000 euros...
 
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me parece ilustrativo para entender los increibles precios de algunos relojes,

si un omega de 4000€ es ya una enorme cantidad de dinero, puedes ver que se queda en nada ante el elaboradisimo trabajo del patek y todo para un calibre de partida similar

 

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me parece ilustrativo para entender los increibles precios de algunos relojes,

si un omega de 4000€ es ya una enorme cantidad de dinero, puedes ver que se queda en nada ante el elaboradisimo trabajo del patek y todo para un calibre de partida similar



Gracias por el vídeo, es para verlo con calma y disfrutar aprendiendo.
 

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He estado mirando Rolex usados y están carísimos. Creéis que bajarán? ?
 
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Mi madre tiene un Hublot de cuarzo tamaño cadete, se rompió la correa y hemos perdido el broche. Hay forma de conseguir una correa barata?. Creo que sin broche cuesta unos 150 €.
 

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Mi madre tiene un Hublot de cuarzo tamaño cadete, se rompió la correa y hemos perdido el broche. Hay forma de conseguir una correa barata?. Creo que sin broche cuesta unos 150 €.
Si te refieres a correa de piel, yo compro aquí.
https://jacobstraps.com/es/
Muy recomendable.

Si quieres algo barato, mira HIRSCH, pero son muy normalitas en calidad.
 

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Si te refieres a correa de piel, yo compro aquí.
https://jacobstraps.com/es/
Muy recomendable.

Si quieres algo barato, mira HIRSCH, pero son muy normalitas en calidad.

Las correas de JacobStraps son muy buenas pero hay que tener paciencia porque tardan en realizarlas y enviarlas. La última que pedí tardó unos 2 meses.

También tengo varias de aquí (https://www.abpconcept.paris) y la calidad es también muy buena, además de mayor variedad.
 

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Mi madre tiene un Hublot de cuarzo tamaño cadete, se rompió la correa y hemos perdido el broche. Hay forma de conseguir una correa barata?. Creo que sin broche cuesta unos 150 €.

Entiendo que es la de caucho negro, si es así yo no cambiaría de material.

Por otra parte, el “anclaje” a la caja puede que dificulte poner otra que no sea original. No estoy seguro.
 
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