Noticia Toyota GR Supra manual L6 3.0 340 cv - PRUEBAS - #1064 Supra vs Z Nismo vs Mustang Dark Horse
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Puede ser. Un amigo tuvo un 350z hace unos años y en vivo estaba bastante guay.
Es muy tentador
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Review: 2023 Toyota GR Supra GTS Six-Speed Gets The Heart Racing And Blood Pumping
The 2023 Toyota Supra GTS is a joy to live with, especially with the new stick shift
August 26, 2023
I’ve never really agreed with those that feel let down by the A90-generation Toyota Supra. But I completely understand why some don’t like it and why it continues to ruffle feathers.
In the four years since its release, there remain plenty of enthusiasts who simply can’t get over the fact that it was developed alongside BMW and shares many parts with the Z4 and other BMW models. I know people that still say “Oh, nice BMW!” to A90 Supra owners but it’s important to remember that were it not for Toyota’s partnership with BMW, a new Supra likely never would have never been created. And, after all, BMW has a rich history of building incredible sports cars, so what’s the big deal?
› Model: 2023 Toyota GR Supra GTS
› Starting Price: AU$106,015 (As Tested – AU$108,065)
› Powertrain: 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-six
› Output: 382 hp (285 kW) and 369 lb-ft (500 Nm) of torque
› Transmission: 6-speed manual
› On Sale: Now
Of course, some will say that had Toyota developed the Supra by itself, it would have been better. Were Toyota’s Gazoo Racing division to make a new Supra in 2023, we suspect it could be better but sadly, that’s not the reality we’re living in as when the car was being developed, GR was still focused on motorsport, not road cars like it is now.
So that brings me to today. All of these thoughts were running through my mind as I picked up the keys to the most enthusiast-oriented version of the new-age Supra, the six-speed manual model. What I found before me was a front-engined, rear-wheel drive sports car with a powerful engine and a stick shift. That sounds like the perfect recipe for success. However, it took more than the first drive for me to fully appreciate just how good this thing is.
As you probably already know, the Supra is powered by BMW’s B58 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-six and while some markets also have the option of a 2.0-liter turbo-four, Australia only gets the 3.0-liter. This engine is superb and pumps out an impressive 285 kW (382 hp) and 369 lb-ft (500 Nm) of torque and for the first few years of the car’s production run, was exclusively paired to a ZF eight-speed automatic transmission.
Then came along the six-speed manual. This is the car that many car enthusiasts had been waiting for and it is certainly the better of the two options. The gearbox takes the form of a modified ZF system that includes a new clutch and tweaked linkages. As we found out, it also adds a whole new thrill to driving the Supra.
Two versions of the Supra are sold in Australia. The entry-level model, priced from AU$96,101 ($61,514) including on-road costs, is dubbed the GT and is very well-equipped. In addition to coming with the choice between the eight-speed auto and the six-speed manual, it lands with 18-inch alloy wheels, adaptive suspension, seven airbags, an 8.8-inch digital instrument cluster, safety systems like Pre-Collision Safety with daytime pedestrian and cyclist detection, and 10-speaker audio system.
Our test car was the Supra GTS. It starts at AU$106,015 ($67,860) and adds 19-inch forged alloy wheels, a head-up display, and a 12-speaker JBL audio system. It can also be optioned with tan leather-accented seat trim or black Alcantara seat trim in addition to the black leather that is the sole option on the GT. The Matte White paint of our test car, as well as Nurburg Matte Grey, are offered exclusively on the GTS and add AU$2,050 ($1,312) to the sticker price.
Toyota’s nicest cabin
Stepping into the Supra for the first time I was quickly reminded of just how compact the cabin feels. You sink down into the excellent GR sports seats and get a good view of the road but with everything finished in black, it can feel a little claustrophobic and is certainly tighter than the interior of the new Nissan Z.
The gear shifter immediately caught my eye. It is small and looks a little dainty when compared to the shifters of the GR Yaris and GR Corolla but feels premium and is nicely weighted (more on that later). The rest of the cabin is familiar with the automatic Supra and plenty of BMW models too.
Sitting atop the dashboard is an 8.8-inch infotainment display with BMW’s iDrive software and those who hate touchscreens will be pleased to know it can also be operated with a controller on the transmission tunnel. It’s nice that the Supra retains physical buttons and knobs for the HVAC system and the inclusion of a wireless smartphone charger with a little cradle to keep your phone secured is also most welcome. The cabin is absolutely more premium than that of the new Nissan Z.
Fun, sporty, and poised
But, let’s be honest, you don’t really care about the interior of the Supra, do you? What you really want to know is how it drives, right? Well, we’re happy to report that the six-speed Supra is an absolute joy to drive and to live with.
I wasn’t so sure during my first 20 minutes with the car, however. After slotting the car into first gear and pulling away, I was surprised by how light the clutch is and how high the engagement point is, especially compared to the GR Corolla I drove just a few weeks prior. I was also taken aback by just how light and undramatic the shifting action is. Toyota says the Supra has a 200-gram gear knob but it doesn’t really feel like it. The shifting action is a far cry from that of the Nissan Z where you feel like you’re getting an arm workout every time you drive. It is also less notchy than the six-speeds used in other GR products.
In the GR Corolla, the engagement point feels like it is just a few millimeters off the floor, allowing you to slam it through the gears without a care in the world. The six-speed of the Supra requires a little more finesse and on more than one occasion I found myself inadvertently riding the clutch while making a change. Once I got used to the unique feel of the gearbox is when I really started to feel at home in the Supra.
The thrill of driving – in a Toyota
The 3.0-liter engine pulls strongly throughout the entire rev range and while it does not feel as muscular as the twin-turbo V6 of the Z, it makes for a very quick car and one that can hit 100 km/h (62 mph) in around 4.2 seconds.
The Supra really begins to pull away from the Z from a dynamic standpoint. While the Z is newer, there’s no doubt that the Toyota has it beat in the handling stakes. Equipped with a sticky set of Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires, our GTS test car offered superb levels of grip and a particularly responsive front end. It feels light on its feet through corners and while it is quite powerful, the rear-end isn’t particularly frisky like it is in the Z.
It feels like an altogether better-sorted and more premium option to the Nissan for those seeking an out-and-out sports car. It’s not a bad daily driver either. The automatic rev-matching system works very well as do the strong brakes.
Our test car was lacking a little in the sound department. When we first tested the Supra at the start of 2020, the exhaust cracked and popped feverously when it was in Sport mode. Not the case here. In fact, the best we got was some burbles, a fry cry from the gunshot shots we were expecting. According to the internet, 2020MY Supra models sounded the most manic of them all, and the six-speed simply isn’t as loud as the auto. Shame.
We were pleasantly surprised with the fuel efficiency of the Supra. Toyota’s official claim is that it consumes 8.9l/100 km (26 U.S. MPG) over the combined cycle and while we did not average that given we did quite a lot of sporty driving, the Supra will happily sit at 8.0l/100 km (29.4 mpg) at highway speeds.
All told, the 2023 Toyota GR Supra GTS with the six-speed is a brilliant sports car. While we think it could have been even better if its transmission was more similar to that of the GR Corolla, it remains infinitely more enjoyable to use than the eight-speed automatic.
The 2023 Toyota Supra GTS is a joy to live with, especially with the new stick shift
August 26, 2023
I’ve never really agreed with those that feel let down by the A90-generation Toyota Supra. But I completely understand why some don’t like it and why it continues to ruffle feathers.
In the four years since its release, there remain plenty of enthusiasts who simply can’t get over the fact that it was developed alongside BMW and shares many parts with the Z4 and other BMW models. I know people that still say “Oh, nice BMW!” to A90 Supra owners but it’s important to remember that were it not for Toyota’s partnership with BMW, a new Supra likely never would have never been created. And, after all, BMW has a rich history of building incredible sports cars, so what’s the big deal?
› Model: 2023 Toyota GR Supra GTS
› Starting Price: AU$106,015 (As Tested – AU$108,065)
› Powertrain: 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-six
› Output: 382 hp (285 kW) and 369 lb-ft (500 Nm) of torque
› Transmission: 6-speed manual
› On Sale: Now
Of course, some will say that had Toyota developed the Supra by itself, it would have been better. Were Toyota’s Gazoo Racing division to make a new Supra in 2023, we suspect it could be better but sadly, that’s not the reality we’re living in as when the car was being developed, GR was still focused on motorsport, not road cars like it is now.
So that brings me to today. All of these thoughts were running through my mind as I picked up the keys to the most enthusiast-oriented version of the new-age Supra, the six-speed manual model. What I found before me was a front-engined, rear-wheel drive sports car with a powerful engine and a stick shift. That sounds like the perfect recipe for success. However, it took more than the first drive for me to fully appreciate just how good this thing is.
As you probably already know, the Supra is powered by BMW’s B58 3.0-liter turbocharged inline-six and while some markets also have the option of a 2.0-liter turbo-four, Australia only gets the 3.0-liter. This engine is superb and pumps out an impressive 285 kW (382 hp) and 369 lb-ft (500 Nm) of torque and for the first few years of the car’s production run, was exclusively paired to a ZF eight-speed automatic transmission.
Then came along the six-speed manual. This is the car that many car enthusiasts had been waiting for and it is certainly the better of the two options. The gearbox takes the form of a modified ZF system that includes a new clutch and tweaked linkages. As we found out, it also adds a whole new thrill to driving the Supra.
Two versions of the Supra are sold in Australia. The entry-level model, priced from AU$96,101 ($61,514) including on-road costs, is dubbed the GT and is very well-equipped. In addition to coming with the choice between the eight-speed auto and the six-speed manual, it lands with 18-inch alloy wheels, adaptive suspension, seven airbags, an 8.8-inch digital instrument cluster, safety systems like Pre-Collision Safety with daytime pedestrian and cyclist detection, and 10-speaker audio system.
Our test car was the Supra GTS. It starts at AU$106,015 ($67,860) and adds 19-inch forged alloy wheels, a head-up display, and a 12-speaker JBL audio system. It can also be optioned with tan leather-accented seat trim or black Alcantara seat trim in addition to the black leather that is the sole option on the GT. The Matte White paint of our test car, as well as Nurburg Matte Grey, are offered exclusively on the GTS and add AU$2,050 ($1,312) to the sticker price.
Toyota’s nicest cabin
Stepping into the Supra for the first time I was quickly reminded of just how compact the cabin feels. You sink down into the excellent GR sports seats and get a good view of the road but with everything finished in black, it can feel a little claustrophobic and is certainly tighter than the interior of the new Nissan Z.
The gear shifter immediately caught my eye. It is small and looks a little dainty when compared to the shifters of the GR Yaris and GR Corolla but feels premium and is nicely weighted (more on that later). The rest of the cabin is familiar with the automatic Supra and plenty of BMW models too.
Sitting atop the dashboard is an 8.8-inch infotainment display with BMW’s iDrive software and those who hate touchscreens will be pleased to know it can also be operated with a controller on the transmission tunnel. It’s nice that the Supra retains physical buttons and knobs for the HVAC system and the inclusion of a wireless smartphone charger with a little cradle to keep your phone secured is also most welcome. The cabin is absolutely more premium than that of the new Nissan Z.
Fun, sporty, and poised
But, let’s be honest, you don’t really care about the interior of the Supra, do you? What you really want to know is how it drives, right? Well, we’re happy to report that the six-speed Supra is an absolute joy to drive and to live with.
I wasn’t so sure during my first 20 minutes with the car, however. After slotting the car into first gear and pulling away, I was surprised by how light the clutch is and how high the engagement point is, especially compared to the GR Corolla I drove just a few weeks prior. I was also taken aback by just how light and undramatic the shifting action is. Toyota says the Supra has a 200-gram gear knob but it doesn’t really feel like it. The shifting action is a far cry from that of the Nissan Z where you feel like you’re getting an arm workout every time you drive. It is also less notchy than the six-speeds used in other GR products.
In the GR Corolla, the engagement point feels like it is just a few millimeters off the floor, allowing you to slam it through the gears without a care in the world. The six-speed of the Supra requires a little more finesse and on more than one occasion I found myself inadvertently riding the clutch while making a change. Once I got used to the unique feel of the gearbox is when I really started to feel at home in the Supra.
The thrill of driving – in a Toyota
The 3.0-liter engine pulls strongly throughout the entire rev range and while it does not feel as muscular as the twin-turbo V6 of the Z, it makes for a very quick car and one that can hit 100 km/h (62 mph) in around 4.2 seconds.
The Supra really begins to pull away from the Z from a dynamic standpoint. While the Z is newer, there’s no doubt that the Toyota has it beat in the handling stakes. Equipped with a sticky set of Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires, our GTS test car offered superb levels of grip and a particularly responsive front end. It feels light on its feet through corners and while it is quite powerful, the rear-end isn’t particularly frisky like it is in the Z.
It feels like an altogether better-sorted and more premium option to the Nissan for those seeking an out-and-out sports car. It’s not a bad daily driver either. The automatic rev-matching system works very well as do the strong brakes.
Our test car was lacking a little in the sound department. When we first tested the Supra at the start of 2020, the exhaust cracked and popped feverously when it was in Sport mode. Not the case here. In fact, the best we got was some burbles, a fry cry from the gunshot shots we were expecting. According to the internet, 2020MY Supra models sounded the most manic of them all, and the six-speed simply isn’t as loud as the auto. Shame.
We were pleasantly surprised with the fuel efficiency of the Supra. Toyota’s official claim is that it consumes 8.9l/100 km (26 U.S. MPG) over the combined cycle and while we did not average that given we did quite a lot of sporty driving, the Supra will happily sit at 8.0l/100 km (29.4 mpg) at highway speeds.
All told, the 2023 Toyota GR Supra GTS with the six-speed is a brilliant sports car. While we think it could have been even better if its transmission was more similar to that of the GR Corolla, it remains infinitely more enjoyable to use than the eight-speed automatic.
cybermad
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Nismo Z vs Mustang Dark Horse vs GR Supra | Laps, Dyno, and Max Money
savagegeese
27 oct 2023
We compare the 2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse, Nissan Nismo Z, and Toyota GR Supra. After a brief rundown on the engineering and technical, we take all the cars for a Dyno test to see which setup makes the right power. We conclude with a discussion on track to see which car is the quickest and most engaging to drive. As usual, with prices spiking $60,000, we dissect the pros and cons of each car for a wide range of buyers. Others to consider are Civic Type R, Subaru WRX, BMW M2, ND2 Miata, and Camaro SS 1LE.
Index:
00:00 Intro and Format
1:30 Mustang Dark Horse Mechanical and Weight
4:20 Nismo Z Mechanicals and Weight
6:55 GR Supra Mechanicals and Weight Balance
9:00 Dyno Testing at Ultima Race Works
12:00 Driving Impressions Toyota Supra
14:55 Driving Impressions Nissan Nismo Z
19:00 Driving Impressions Mustang Dark Horse
22:03 Laptime Discussion with Britt Casey Jr.
22:40 Nissan Z Laptimes
24:08 Mustang Dark Horse Laptimes
25:16 Toyota Supra Laptimes
27:00 Britt's Favorites
28:00 Final Thoughts
28:47 Leaderboard
35:16 Kernel Panic - JB58
savagegeese
27 oct 2023
We compare the 2024 Ford Mustang Dark Horse, Nissan Nismo Z, and Toyota GR Supra. After a brief rundown on the engineering and technical, we take all the cars for a Dyno test to see which setup makes the right power. We conclude with a discussion on track to see which car is the quickest and most engaging to drive. As usual, with prices spiking $60,000, we dissect the pros and cons of each car for a wide range of buyers. Others to consider are Civic Type R, Subaru WRX, BMW M2, ND2 Miata, and Camaro SS 1LE.
Index:
00:00 Intro and Format
1:30 Mustang Dark Horse Mechanical and Weight
4:20 Nismo Z Mechanicals and Weight
6:55 GR Supra Mechanicals and Weight Balance
9:00 Dyno Testing at Ultima Race Works
12:00 Driving Impressions Toyota Supra
14:55 Driving Impressions Nissan Nismo Z
19:00 Driving Impressions Mustang Dark Horse
22:03 Laptime Discussion with Britt Casey Jr.
22:40 Nissan Z Laptimes
24:08 Mustang Dark Horse Laptimes
25:16 Toyota Supra Laptimes
27:00 Britt's Favorites
28:00 Final Thoughts
28:47 Leaderboard
35:16 Kernel Panic - JB58
cybermad
Clan Leader
2025 Toyota Supra GRMN Prototype With Manual Gearbox Starts Testing At The Nürburgring
Sound on! I have taken a first spy video of the high performance Toyota Supra GRMN during some laps on the Nürburgring. There have been rumors about this model for a long time and now it is reality.
Yes, Toyota and BMW is working on the Toyota Supra GRMN.
The Toyota Supra GRMN (Gazoo Racing Masters of the Nürburgring) will be the new top model.
The heart of the car is a BMW M-Power 3.0-litre-turbo six-cylinder coming with a 6-speed manual. Visually, the Toyota Supra GRMN is camouflaged at the front and rear end.
Besides some additional flaps on the bumper, the GRMN also gets a deeper front lip and a slightly revised air ducting.
At the rear, a new fixed rear spoiler can be seen, which is larger than on the Supra GT4. The prototype was testing on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires.
Sound on! I have taken a first spy video of the high performance Toyota Supra GRMN during some laps on the Nürburgring. There have been rumors about this model for a long time and now it is reality.
Yes, Toyota and BMW is working on the Toyota Supra GRMN.
The Toyota Supra GRMN (Gazoo Racing Masters of the Nürburgring) will be the new top model.
The heart of the car is a BMW M-Power 3.0-litre-turbo six-cylinder coming with a 6-speed manual. Visually, the Toyota Supra GRMN is camouflaged at the front and rear end.
Besides some additional flaps on the bumper, the GRMN also gets a deeper front lip and a slightly revised air ducting.
At the rear, a new fixed rear spoiler can be seen, which is larger than on the Supra GT4. The prototype was testing on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires.
cybermad
Clan Leader
Así es como creemos que se verá el Supra GRMN
Podría tener un motor nuevo con alrededor de 500 caballos de fuerza.
27 de octubre de 2023
Toyota se está preparando para presentar un Supra GRMN más rápido y potente. Detalles importantes como el tren motriz siguen siendo un misterio, pero las fotos y videos espía recientes no pudieron ocultar los cambios visuales que se avecinan en el cupé de alto rendimiento.
Una nueva representación elimina el poco camuflaje que ha estado usando el Supra , brindando una posible vista previa del estilo renovado del automóvil. Tiene un nuevo borde del alerón delantero, protectores en el parachoques y un alerón trasero diferente. Toyota también podría mejorar el estilo del parachoques delantero.
La representación muestra el automóvil con ruedas únicas, que las fotos espía anteriores habían revelado que estaban envueltas en neumáticos Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2. El Supra también tendrá frenos más robustos, con pinzas rojas escondidas detrás de las aleaciones supuestamente livianas.
Si bien las modificaciones exteriores son menores, esperamos cambios más significativos bajo el capó. Los rumores han sugerido que el Supra GMNR podría utilizar un motor BMW M, concretamente el S58.
El motor de seis cilindros en línea y 3.0 litros biturbo genera 473 caballos de fuerza en el M4 básico y 503 hp en el M4 Competition. El M4 CSL tiene 543 caballos de fuerza y 479 libras-pie de torque, pero no esperamos que el nuevo Supra GRMN tenga tanta potencia disponible. Algo en el rango de 450-500 hp parece más probable.
El Supra básico cuenta con el motor B48 de 2.0 litros de BMW, aunque también es opcional el motor B58 de 3.0 litros, más grande, de 382 caballos de fuerza. El automóvil está disponible con transmisión manual, pero la gente no debería esperar que la versión GRMN se ofrezca si tiene el motor S58. El M4 Competition y el M4 CSL son sólo automáticos, pero Toyota podría sorprendernos .
La representación no muestra el interior del Supra, pero probablemente recibirá algunos ajustes menores. El automóvil podría tener asientos más deportivos y esperamos mucha marca GRMN en todas partes.
El nuevo Supra se ubicará en la parte superior de la línea de modelos cuando debute, colocándolo por encima del GR Supra 3.0 Premium, que comienza en $58,745 para el año modelo 2024 . Toyota también ofrece una edición del 45 aniversario aún más cara a $65,470. Un nuevo motor podría aumentar considerablemente el precio del Supra. Toyota no ha anunciado cuándo revelará el auto, así que estad atentos.
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Gulf627
Clan Leader
Incluso aquí en Munich donde hay más pasta se ven muy muy pocos. Y en Alemania se venden pocos....para hacernos una idea se han matriculado en todo 2023 mas Ferrari SF90 que Supras.
Aqui las matriculaciones de deportivos (categoria que se saca de la manga la KBA alemana) para 2023:
Sportwagen-Neuzulassungen Jahresbilanz 2023
Zulassungen in 2023
1 PORSCHE 911: 9.314
2 BMW Z4: 3.292
3 AUDI TT: 2.879
4 MERCEDES SL: 2.695
5 MERCEDES E-KLASSE COUPE: 2.349
6 FORD MUSTANG: 1.419
7 PORSCHE BOXSTER: 1.239
8 MERCEDES AMG GT: 1.211
9 PORSCHE CAYMAN: 1.169
10 TOYOTA GR 86: 719
11 JAGUAR F-TYPE: 500
12 ALPINE A110: 405
13 FERRARI 296: 345
14 FERRARI SF90: 310
15 AUDI R8: 292
16 TOYOTA SUPRA: 290
17 SUBARU BRZ: 281
18 FERRARI F8: 219
19 LOTUS EMIRA: 218
20 FERRARI PORTOFINO: 194
21 FERRARI ROMA: 192
22 ASTON MARTIN V8: 157
23 LEXUS LC: 78
24 ASTON MARTIN DB11: 46
25 MASERATI GRANTURISMO: 41
26 BMW I8: 2
27 MERCEDES CLK: 1
27 NISSAN GT-R: 1
27 TOYOTA GT 86: 1
En Santiago he visto uno azul . Amarillo no he visto ninguno .
El coche no tiene opciones de configuración ninguna, sólo el color y con muy poca variedad. Por coj*nes te tienes que tragar esas llantas.
Configurador Toyota GR Supra, dale personalidad
Configurador Toyota GR Supra, dale personalidad
El gr tiene muy pocas opciones (los espejos y 4 tontadas) pero va con manual..., estos no eran automáticos?
